Interviewee: | Mahesh Rangarajan, Professor, University of Delhi |
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Interviewer: | Jayshree Bajoria, Staff Writer |
April 26, 2010
The killing earlier this month (Hindu) of seventy-six government troops by Maoists in the central Indian state
of Chhattisgarh highlighted the threat from this growing insurgency and the debate over how best to counter it.
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has called the
threat posed by Naxalites, as the Maoists are locally
known, the "single biggest internal security challenge
ever faced by our country." Last year, Indian home
minister P. Chidambaram noted Maoists held
pockets of influence intwenty of India's twenty-
eight states and ordered a major offensive against
them.
of Chhattisgarh highlighted the threat from this growing insurgency and the debate over how best to counter it.
Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has called the
threat posed by Naxalites, as the Maoists are locally
known, the "single biggest internal security challenge
ever faced by our country." Last year, Indian home
minister P. Chidambaram noted Maoists held
pockets of influence intwenty of India's twenty-
eight states and ordered a major offensive against
them.
Politicians and others are divided on whether an
armed offensive by the state is sufficient to solve
the Naxalite problem. Mahesh Rangarajan, a
leading Indian historian and political analyst,
says the insurgency is not just a security issue.
Social and economic dimensions also have to be
addressed, he argues, for what has become a
major "political challenge" for the Indian
democracy. Rangarajan rules out talks between
the state and the armed Maoists, but stresses
that the state must address social justice for
India's disaffected tribal groups. Many of these
groups have not benefited from India's economic boom,
and some have suffered from it, says Rangarajan.
armed offensive by the state is sufficient to solve
the Naxalite problem. Mahesh Rangarajan, a
leading Indian historian and political analyst,
says the insurgency is not just a security issue.
Social and economic dimensions also have to be
addressed, he argues, for what has become a
major "political challenge" for the Indian
democracy. Rangarajan rules out talks between
the state and the armed Maoists, but stresses
that the state must address social justice for
India's disaffected tribal groups. Many of these
groups have not benefited from India's economic boom,
and some have suffered from it, says Rangarajan.
Who are the Naxalites, and what do they want?
The Communist Party of India (Maoists), which was
formed in 2004, came about as a result of a merger
of two smaller groups. All such groups trace their
background to a party which was founded in 1969
called the Communist Party India (Marxist-Leninist).
It drew its inspiration from an armed uprising of a
group of peasants and tribals led by a couple of Marxist leaders in 1967-68, in a village called Naxalbari in West Bengal. So the word Naxalite is often applied to such
groups by their opponents, and by themselves. It's a
Marxist political party which believes that the only
way to create a just society in India is by an armed revolutionary overthrow of the existing state system.
This puts it at variance with the mainstream
communist parties of India. India has several
communist parties, [but] the Maoists reject those
leftist groups, who they see as having sold out to the
dominant classes in Indian society.
formed in 2004, came about as a result of a merger
of two smaller groups. All such groups trace their
background to a party which was founded in 1969
called the Communist Party India (Marxist-Leninist).
It drew its inspiration from an armed uprising of a
group of peasants and tribals led by a couple of Marxist leaders in 1967-68, in a village called Naxalbari in West Bengal. So the word Naxalite is often applied to such
groups by their opponents, and by themselves. It's a
Marxist political party which believes that the only
way to create a just society in India is by an armed revolutionary overthrow of the existing state system.
This puts it at variance with the mainstream
communist parties of India. India has several
communist parties, [but] the Maoists reject those
leftist groups, who they see as having sold out to the
dominant classes in Indian society.
Do these Maoists themselves belong to the
tribal society?
tribal society?
There has to be a distinction made between the CPI
(Maoists) in terms of the leadership of the party--who
are largely educated, middle class radicals--and their
social base, political base, and their clout, which comes
from forested districts that are largely inhabited by
members of the scheduled tribes[lowest in the
country's stratified social order]. Scheduled tribes
form about 8 percent of the population in India; 8
percent of one billion is a very large number of people.
There are other marginal groups, most of whom are
dependent on dry land agriculture and wage labor for
a living.
(Maoists) in terms of the leadership of the party--who
are largely educated, middle class radicals--and their
social base, political base, and their clout, which comes
from forested districts that are largely inhabited by
members of the scheduled tribes[lowest in the
country's stratified social order]. Scheduled tribes
form about 8 percent of the population in India; 8
percent of one billion is a very large number of people.
There are other marginal groups, most of whom are
dependent on dry land agriculture and wage labor for
a living.
These are backward areas; these are dispossessed
people, they're extremely marginal--their life
expectancy, access to healthcare, education, level
of entitlement--is far below the national average. And
it is these districts, many of them forested, some rich
with minerals, that have got caught up in the throes
of rapid economic development that makes India
such a powerhouse. And the displacement of people
by dams, by mines, by forest reservations and nature
reserves, is seen by some as creating more fertile
ground for such extremism to stick. So they are in
areas which have not benefited to a large extent from
the huge economic transformation of India and could
even be said that there are significant sections of
population who have probably lost out.
people, they're extremely marginal--their life
expectancy, access to healthcare, education, level
of entitlement--is far below the national average. And
it is these districts, many of them forested, some rich
with minerals, that have got caught up in the throes
of rapid economic development that makes India
such a powerhouse. And the displacement of people
by dams, by mines, by forest reservations and nature
reserves, is seen by some as creating more fertile
ground for such extremism to stick. So they are in
areas which have not benefited to a large extent from
the huge economic transformation of India and could
even be said that there are significant sections of
population who have probably lost out.
There are a number of groups active in such areas; the
bulk of them are peaceful. Maoists are part of the
spectrum, but they're on the extreme end of the
spectrum. So their base is in precisely these areas, they
also have a base in some plains areas where there are
major disparities between [land-owners] and the
landless, particularly in central and north Bihar, but
that is one region where their base has somewhat
declined in recent years because of better governance
and delivery of services to the poor.
bulk of them are peaceful. Maoists are part of the
spectrum, but they're on the extreme end of the
spectrum. So their base is in precisely these areas, they
also have a base in some plains areas where there are
major disparities between [land-owners] and the
landless, particularly in central and north Bihar, but
that is one region where their base has somewhat
declined in recent years because of better governance
and delivery of services to the poor.
At the same time, tribal people that Maoists
claim to champion have also suffered at the
hands of Maoist violence. Do the Maoists have
a following in the tribal areas where they
operate?
claim to champion have also suffered at the
hands of Maoist violence. Do the Maoists have
a following in the tribal areas where they
operate?
Their sympathizers claim that they have substantial
support. Prominent among them is the celebrated
author Arundhati Roy and others. Their opponents
would say that whatever base they have is due to
coercion, and it is well-known that they have recruits
from such communities; they maintain small armed
cadres of what they call the People's Liberation Army.
support. Prominent among them is the celebrated
author Arundhati Roy and others. Their opponents
would say that whatever base they have is due to
coercion, and it is well-known that they have recruits
from such communities; they maintain small armed
cadres of what they call the People's Liberation Army.
But despite having such support, in the last decade and
a half in their period of growth in some parts of India,
they have run regular protection rackets [extortion];
miners, foresters, operational school teachers, virtually
everyone working in these areas has to give a part of
their pay to such groups. The price for not paying
enough is that they deal with you pretty severely, and
it's no surprise that a large number of the people who
are killed by them are police constables, forest guards,
lowly government officials, elected village council
leaders. But no one would claim that the CPI is simply
a criminal enterprise. It is a political organization. It
has a political objective and it has some measure of
sympathy or support, whether that is due to fear or
because of ideological allegiance or simply desperation--
there's a big debate on that. We have had in India an
insurgent tradition among a section of left-wing groups
going back more than forty years. That tradition ebbs
and flows. We are living through a period of a relative
flow.
a half in their period of growth in some parts of India,
they have run regular protection rackets [extortion];
miners, foresters, operational school teachers, virtually
everyone working in these areas has to give a part of
their pay to such groups. The price for not paying
enough is that they deal with you pretty severely, and
it's no surprise that a large number of the people who
are killed by them are police constables, forest guards,
lowly government officials, elected village council
leaders. But no one would claim that the CPI is simply
a criminal enterprise. It is a political organization. It
has a political objective and it has some measure of
sympathy or support, whether that is due to fear or
because of ideological allegiance or simply desperation--
there's a big debate on that. We have had in India an
insurgent tradition among a section of left-wing groups
going back more than forty years. That tradition ebbs
and flows. We are living through a period of a relative
flow.
India's home minister has called for an all-out
war with the Maoists as well as offered
negotiations if they give up arms. So some
might say India does not have a clear policy
on how the Indian state wants to deal with the
Maoists.
war with the Maoists as well as offered
negotiations if they give up arms. So some
might say India does not have a clear policy
on how the Indian state wants to deal with the
Maoists.
No, I don't think that's a fair observation. India has a
long track record of dealing with insurgencies. There is
a long record of insurgents coming back into the fold,
giving up the guns, and accepting the constitution.
There is also a record of insurgent groups having
been battled down and simply put down. These are
people who are armed, they do have a measure of
support. This is a country which has the world's third
or fourth largest army, it has a very substantial armed
presence, but in the last week we've had statements
from the chief of army staff saying they're willing to
help train the police--so they don't want to be involved
in this. And [similarly] from the chief of air staff.
They're correct. You don't have an army and an air force
in a democracy to use them against your own people.
And the kind of areas they're in, you're not fighting a
regular army. If you were to deploy paramilitaries and
armies on a mass scale, a lot of innocent people would
probably get killed. There's been a tradition of Maoist
cadres when they have staged armed attacks, [soon
after] they melt away and you won't find a single cadre
around, and if you do, they will blend into the local population.
So there is debate which is on. It's a healthy sign in a
democratic society to have a debate, particularly
because nobody wants a situation where sections of
Indian society who are weak, who are excluded by any
stretch of civic benchmark that you might use, get
victimized in the process. So when the union home
minister says he is open to negotiation if they give
up arms, he's not under the illusion that they'll give
up arms; it's a signal to say that the government is
willing to take an extra step for peace, but I don't think
anyone seriously expects them to give up arms. They
haven't for forty years, there's no reason for them now
and they've never promised that.
long track record of dealing with insurgencies. There is
a long record of insurgents coming back into the fold,
giving up the guns, and accepting the constitution.
There is also a record of insurgent groups having
been battled down and simply put down. These are
people who are armed, they do have a measure of
support. This is a country which has the world's third
or fourth largest army, it has a very substantial armed
presence, but in the last week we've had statements
from the chief of army staff saying they're willing to
help train the police--so they don't want to be involved
in this. And [similarly] from the chief of air staff.
They're correct. You don't have an army and an air force
in a democracy to use them against your own people.
And the kind of areas they're in, you're not fighting a
regular army. If you were to deploy paramilitaries and
armies on a mass scale, a lot of innocent people would
probably get killed. There's been a tradition of Maoist
cadres when they have staged armed attacks, [soon
after] they melt away and you won't find a single cadre
around, and if you do, they will blend into the local population.
So there is debate which is on. It's a healthy sign in a
democratic society to have a debate, particularly
because nobody wants a situation where sections of
Indian society who are weak, who are excluded by any
stretch of civic benchmark that you might use, get
victimized in the process. So when the union home
minister says he is open to negotiation if they give
up arms, he's not under the illusion that they'll give
up arms; it's a signal to say that the government is
willing to take an extra step for peace, but I don't think
anyone seriously expects them to give up arms. They
haven't for forty years, there's no reason for them now
and they've never promised that.
Can talks be a solution?
I doubt it, because this is a group with a very clear
political ideology and objectives. In the past when
there have been talks, it has not led very far. The
divide is too fundamental between groups who believe
the means to justice is through an armed overthrow
of the political system, and those who believe that
however extreme your grievances, there is space
within the political system to accommodate and
address those grievances or injustices.
political ideology and objectives. In the past when
there have been talks, it has not led very far. The
divide is too fundamental between groups who believe
the means to justice is through an armed overthrow
of the political system, and those who believe that
however extreme your grievances, there is space
within the political system to accommodate and
address those grievances or injustices.
So, then what is the solution?
The challenge has to be seen not only as a security
one but as a political one, and one of the reasons
Maoism lost its appeal in the 1970s and 1980s is that
some of these issues [their grievances] continued to be
addressed by government. Now for perhaps the last
fifteen to twenty years during India's reform and
liberalization, people took eyes off this dimension
of the Indian reality. It needs to come back into focus.
one but as a political one, and one of the reasons
Maoism lost its appeal in the 1970s and 1980s is that
some of these issues [their grievances] continued to be
addressed by government. Now for perhaps the last
fifteen to twenty years during India's reform and
liberalization, people took eyes off this dimension
of the Indian reality. It needs to come back into focus.
So there are two dimensions to it. There is the security
dimension which has to be addressed, but there's also
the social and economic dimension.
dimension which has to be addressed, but there's also
the social and economic dimension.
These are very important parts of India in economic
terms, in terms of forests and mineral wealth, but
they're also important because this is a substantial
section of Indian society. Maoism is in pockets of
adivasi [tribal, literally meaning indigenous people]
country. These maps that paint the whole thing red
[communist], they are misleading. But it is a
challenge for Indian democracy, which in the past
has been able to deal with other sorts of divides--the
religious divide, the caste divide, the divide between
different regions of this vast country. So, it's a security
challenge, but it's also a political challenge for the
ruling alliance and for the political system as a whole.
terms, in terms of forests and mineral wealth, but
they're also important because this is a substantial
section of Indian society. Maoism is in pockets of
adivasi [tribal, literally meaning indigenous people]
country. These maps that paint the whole thing red
[communist], they are misleading. But it is a
challenge for Indian democracy, which in the past
has been able to deal with other sorts of divides--the
religious divide, the caste divide, the divide between
different regions of this vast country. So, it's a security
challenge, but it's also a political challenge for the
ruling alliance and for the political system as a whole.
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